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megagagnon1 said in August 15th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

@Fig1024 Seriously – you should consider the source and methodology of their ranking system. WHO (World Health Organization) report rates national health care performance according to five trendy flavors of the month: life expectancies, inequalities in health, the responsiveness of the system in providing diagnosis and treatment, inequalities in responsiveness, and how fairly systems are financed.

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megagagnon1 said in August 15th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

@Fig1024 First, consider the study’s data. Health statistics for each country were collected from individual agencies and ministries, assuring wide disparities in definition, reporting technique and collection methodology. Indeed, the report concedes that “in all cases, there are multiple and often conflicting sources of information,”

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megagagnon1 said in August 15th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

@Fig1024 if sources at all. For the many nations that simply do not maintain health statistics, the WHO “developed [data] through a variety of techniques.” Without consistent and accurate data from within a single country, how can meaningful comparison be made among 191 different countries?

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megagagnon1 said in August 15th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

@Fig1024 Sent you a message with a link explaining WHO’s ranking methodology.

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net200910 said in August 15th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

No. If another company was formed, it would either join the monopoly or be “brought out” when it becomes big enough. Even if you have 1 million smaller companies that form, they would slowly combine and you’d still get a handful of large companies. The truth is that in terms of profit, large corporations that form a monopoly make the most money as demonstrated by the history of American corporations, most of which started as small businesses.

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megagagnon1 said in August 15th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

@net200910 Corporate monopolies only happen with the aid of government, at least in the long term. The myth of the evil monopoly – youtube videos, articles and books have been written with that title, or something close to it. That’s why the corporations want their industry regulated by the government.

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publicmario17 said in August 15th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

@ZachValkyrie hahahah this is the best comment i ever seen XD. Canada, the true land of the free, multicultural, and best health care in the world!(not entirely free, via pay taxes)

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net200910 said in August 15th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

No. Corporations, especially monopolies are what is best for any marketplace. Businesses compete for both production and consumers. Corporations, especially monopolies, are the best at controlling production and consumption. So you end up with healthcare where you pay more and get less. Bribing government is just an easy step, but it’s not needed. But for a corporation, an easy step saves money compared to other means. But they’ll still monopolize whether government helps or not.

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megagagnon1 said in August 15th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

@net200910 Name some corporations that do business in the US without any government help. Show me some examples of long term monopolies without government aid.

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net200910 said in August 15th, 2010 at 11:46 pm

You’re probably using it’s product right now. It’s called Windows. They wiped out so many companies simply by integrating competing products into Windows. Then there’s ebay. It uses its auction to push Paypal. And Walmart. If you live in a rural area, Walmart owns you. They will undercut your prices simply because they’re able to take losses in one one Walmart store if they make up for it in another. So they can squeeze you out of business, then become the only seller in town.

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megagagnon1 said in August 16th, 2010 at 3:13 am

@net200910 I guess you didn’t understand my question. I said WITHOUT government help. Walmart – est $1 billion in taxpayer money. Paypal is a more complex case, but it’s not a monopoly, because obviously a consumer has many choices, including not using paypal at all.If Walmart charges low low prices, that doesn’t qualify as an evil monopoly, that’s a good thing for consumers. And the fact is even the mere threat of competition keeps them on their toes. Long term monopoly myth.

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fret2424 said in August 16th, 2010 at 8:36 am

“In death we all have a name, and that name is Robert Paulson”! -Project Mayhem

“Better to be a pirate then a general” -Steve Jobbs

I’m not a very good corporate solder either.

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net200910 said in August 16th, 2010 at 11:51 am

What about Microsoft? You skipped them? Aren’t they a monopoly? You want to purchase a new computer, you get Windows. You want something else, you better build your own. A monopoly isn’t evil. Corporations are not evil. Companies want to make the most money possible. The belief that profit is evil is ridiculous. What I’m saying is that corporations do not have consumers in mind as their best interest.

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net200910 said in August 16th, 2010 at 11:57 am

Please get off the evil kick. Nothing is evil. Corporations want to make as much profit as possible, and bribing government to make laws for them saves them alot of money and time. But if they could not do that, they would still monopolize the competition, just slower. Like Microsoft. Walmart is doing it the slow way. AT&T is doing it too right now. Don’t think that just because you benefit right now, it’s always going to be that way. The cost of Health insurance says otherwise.

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lorndarken said in August 16th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

with medicare being a government owned and not allowed to reject service to people with the health care reform bill, i say let these other stupid insurnece companies raise their premiums , that in return would get people to switch to medicare, and with everyone on medicare, you might aswell bill it as universal health care :P

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jxsilicon9 said in August 16th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

@megagagnon1

Not really. In a market where the government doesn’t regulate. You would just have companies like Standard oil,Bell telephone monopoly,etc. All they had to do was buy out competition and eliminate any other competition.

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megagagnon1 said in August 16th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

@jxsilicon9 There’s no market in the US that the government doesn’t regulate. And the bell telephone monopoly only happened because of the government, just after ww2 ended. Standard oil? Very efficiently run company that halved the price of oil – great for consumers. But without government help, even their “monopoly” would’ve been temporary – if they arbitrarily decided to raise rates, new competition would emerge.

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megagagnon1 said in August 16th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

@net200910 Walmart got an estimated $1+ billion in taxpayer money to build their stores. That’s the slow way?

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megagagnon1 said in August 16th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

@net200910 Microsoft? Here’s a recent headline : Microsoft Windows Sales Plunge 24% Amid Rising Competition. Competition is great for consumers, it forces companies to offer better service at lower prices – unless of course they have some sort of monopoly because of the government. Mexico has that across the board. Carlos Slim, the richest man in the world, runs a telephone company in mexico – government-aided monopoly. The most expensive long distance rates in the world.

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doublejoe69 said in August 17th, 2010 at 7:59 am

@13thtrece yes, winter up here sucks. However, i still consider myself lucky to be born Canadian.

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13thtrece said in August 17th, 2010 at 10:00 am

@doublejoe69 thats nice what about the crime rates and the people in general, are they well coming to immigrants ? and are they well educated?

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sensur1 said in August 18th, 2010 at 7:14 am

People who are screaming the loudest against tax increase are the ones who are silent when their insurance rates soar upwards..

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8ballJunkie6666 said in August 18th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

and what’s obama’s solution to this?
let’s make it illegal to not have insurance, so those who refuse to give these monsters their money are slapped with a fine…. there u go, some healthcare reform

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burnouter5 said in August 23rd, 2010 at 6:47 pm

@Miluminar yeah that president made the right choice

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burnouter5 said in August 23rd, 2010 at 6:50 pm

Can the president take money from corporations and give it to the people

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